IT'S the adrenalin buzz, says Jackie. It's the excitement, says Luci.
It's no more dangerous than horseriding, says Jackie.
Jackie Young and Luci Boella are talking skydiving.
Reach for the Sky could be their motto, for not only are both women champion skydivers but they also both work for Skydive Unlimited, a Winterbourne Dauntsey company that organises jumps for charity.
Jackie, who is office manager, doesn't jump any more because it would take up most of her free time and that wouldn't be fair on her family - she has two boys in their early teens. But she knows everyone in the skydiving community.
It's not surprising, because Jackie, who lives in Durrington, is a living skydiving legend, the first female member of the Red Devils, the parachute regiment's crack display team.
There they were, 29 big tough men and Jackie, display jumping all over the world. She completed more than 4,000 jumps and went into the Guinness Book for Records for achieving ten dead centres back to back, which means that in the world championships she scored ten consecutive jumps landing plumb in the centre of the target.
Charity jump administrator Luci (24), who lives in Tidworth, is a member of the No Illusions skydiving team, which won the intermediate four-way formation competition in the army skydiving championships at Netheravon two weeks ago and came fourth in the national championships.
A psychology graduate, she became hooked on skydiving when she was at Reading University.
She has clocked up more than 500 jumps and when she has completed 1,000 she will be on her way to becoming a top-level skydiving instructor.
She still feels a tingle when she jumps. "It's not fear," she says, "it's excitement, and a little bit of nervousness if you are jumping in a new place."
Sometimes the adrenalin can start flowing long before the jump, like the time Jackie and four friends decided to jump from the top of El Capitan, a 3,000-foot-high rock face in Yosemite National Park, which was strictly forbidden.
"I felt like a bank robber," Jackie laughs.
The jumps they organise today could not be more above board. Skydive Unlimited, which is owned by Allan Hewitt, a former Red Devil, and Andy Parkin, makes parachutes and rigging and organises charity jumps for national charities like Mencap and Marie Curie Cancer Care.
Charity parachutists can jump at any of 24 centres in the UK.
"If anyone wants to do a jump, not necessarily for charity, perhaps for a birthday, we can arrange that too," Jackie says.
And they have reassuring words for anyone contemplating a jump.
"The media gives it a daredevil image but it's so well regulated it's not dangerous," they emphasise.
Anyone who is interested in jumping for charity or an independent jump can contact Skydive Unlimited at The Manor House, Main Road, Winterbourne Dauntsey, Salisbury SP4 6EW, tel 01980 610666 or 01980 610777.
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